08 – David Kesby: Herding Cats – Unconventional Team Leadership

Show Notes

I sat down with Dave Kesby, organizational coach and author, to talk about his new book, “Extra-Dependent Teams: Realising the Power of Similarity”, where he challenges the conventional wisdom of teams.

As he writes in his introduction, “through the lens of convention a lot of the features of Extra-Dependent Teams are misdiagnosed as faults: working apart is seen as working in silos, lack of interdependency is seen as uncollaborative, and working only towards their individual goal is seen as not being a team player.”

Dave served in The British Army for seven years before turning to a career in  organizational and leadership development. He combines military, academic, corporate and volunteering experiences to provide a fresh and challenging perspective on what it means to lead, as well as be part of a team.

Read the full article HERE.

What was covered:

  • The differences between Inter-Dependent versus Extra-Dependent teams
  • What are communities of practice and how they contribute towards innovation, silo-busting and improving organizational agility
  • Why “herding cats”  is not necessarily a bad thing in an organizational context

Key Takeways and Learnings:

  • Focusing on common practices instead of common goals enables shared learning and performance improvement
  • Looking at the team for what it is instead of what it ought to be provides simpler solutions and decreases the need for control and competition



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